# Qwen 4 release date: Alibaba says it is in training, no date yet > At its September 22 Apsara Conference Alibaba confirmed Qwen 4 is in training. It gave no launch date, size or price, and nothing is on Hugging Face yet. URL: https://claudegpt.si/news/qwen-4-release-date Published: 2026-10-29T10:51:05.650Z Author: ClaudeGPT Si Newsroom Section: AI Models Topics: Alibaba, Qwen, Language models, Open-weight models Publisher: ClaudeGPT Si ## Key takeaways - Alibaba said at its September 22, 2026 Apsara Conference that Qwen 4 is in training. - Alibaba has given no release date, size, price or benchmarks for Qwen 4. - As of October 29, 2026, no Qwen 4 model is listed on Qwen's Hugging Face page. Alibaba has not announced a Qwen 4 release date. At its Apsara Conference in Hangzhou on September 22, 2026, the company said Qwen 4, its next-generation model, is in training, according to [Alibaba's own Apsara roundup](https://www.alizila.com/alibaba-clouds-2026-apsara-conference-full-stack-ai-roadmap-along-with-global-market-expansion-plan/). It gave no launch date, price, size or benchmark scores. That matters because Apsara is already over. If you saw a claim that Qwen 4 will launch at the conference, the conference took place more than a month ago, and Alibaba's coverage of it describes a model still being trained. ## What Alibaba has confirmed about Qwen 4 Alibaba's September 24 post says Qwen 4 is currently in training. It does not say how large the model is. The same post says the later Qwen 4.5 and Qwen 5 series are projected to scale up to 5 to 10 trillion parameters. Parameters are the adjustable numbers inside a model, and more of them usually means a bigger and more expensive model to run. Alibaba gives no dates for Qwen 4, Qwen 4.5 or Qwen 5. In a separate [AliViews piece](https://www.alizila.com/aliviews-eddie-wu-shares-alibabas-strategic-full-stack-ai-roadmap-at-the-2026-apsara-conference/) on the same conference, Alibaba says the Qwen team plans to train a new model at the scale of 5 to 10 trillion parameters. The goal it states is completing more complex, longer-horizon tasks. That piece does not name Qwen 4 and gives no training timeline. ## What has shipped so far Nothing called Qwen 4 is out. As of October 29, 2026, the [Qwen page on Hugging Face](https://huggingface.co/Qwen) lists no Qwen 4 model. The newest language models there belong to the Qwen3.8 family: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next, Qwen3.8-27B and Qwen3.8-2.4T-A95B, plus FP8 versions of each. Alibaba's Apsara post also describes how the current flagship was used. It says Qwen3.8-Max completed 33 iterative self-improvement cycles over a month of automated runs, raising its Artificial Analysis score from 40 to 45. Those are Alibaba's figures, and we have not seen them checked independently. ## How to read the roadmap The two Alibaba posts together show a direction, not a schedule. Qwen 4 is the model being trained now, and the 5 to 10 trillion parameter scale is attached to later series. Alibaba says the team's stated aim is harder tasks that take longer to finish. Training a model is not the same as being ready to ship it, and Alibaba has not said how long testing and release will take after training ends. ## What we don't know yet - The release date for Qwen 4. Alibaba has given none. - Whether Qwen 4 will be open-weight like the Qwen3.8 models on Hugging Face, or API-only. - The model sizes, context window, API pricing and benchmark results. - Any tier names. Alibaba's own materials do not list them, so lists of variant names circulating online are unconfirmed. The place to watch is [qwen.ai](https://qwen.ai) and the Qwen organization on Hugging Face, where Alibaba posts its releases. Until one of them lists Qwen 4, treat any date as a guess. ## Frequently asked questions ### When is Qwen 4 coming out? Alibaba has not said. It confirmed on September 22, 2026 that Qwen 4 is in training and gave no release date. ### Will Qwen 4 launch at the Apsara Conference? The 2026 Apsara Conference was held on September 22. Alibaba described Qwen 4 as in training there and did not release it. ### Is Qwen 4 available on Hugging Face? Not as of October 29, 2026. The Qwen organization's newest language models are in the Qwen3.8 family. ### How big will Qwen 4 be? Alibaba has not said. It projects that the later Qwen 4.5 and Qwen 5 series will scale up to 5 to 10 trillion parameters. ## Sources - [Alibaba Cloud's 2026 Apsara Conference: Full-Stack AI Roadmap Along with Global Market Expansion Plan](https://www.alizila.com/alibaba-clouds-2026-apsara-conference-full-stack-ai-roadmap-along-with-global-market-expansion-plan/), Alizila (Alibaba) - [AliViews: Eddie Wu Shares Alibaba's Strategic Full-Stack AI Roadmap at the 2026 Apsara Conference](https://www.alizila.com/aliviews-eddie-wu-shares-alibabas-strategic-full-stack-ai-roadmap-at-the-2026-apsara-conference/), Alizila (Alibaba) - [Qwen on Hugging Face](https://huggingface.co/Qwen), Qwen